At What Point Does It Become Treason? ashley

In Stoutcat’s current rant, “Oh, Well THAT Explains It“, she highlights yet another arrogant politi-thug who pisses on the Constitution and tells us it’s rain. Just another politician embracing the destruction of America as we know it. This time, however, this politician (Representative Phil Hare, Democrat, Illinois) actually let his guard down and stated ON CAMERA:

I don’t worry about the Constitution on this, to be honest.”

Finally, an Obamanite let’s the truth slip out.

But this begs the bigger question and it’s time to demand an answer from  what’s left of our Democratic Government: At what point do politicians’ actions that work against freedom and the constitution become treason?


  • We have a President who has nationalized two automobile manufacturers
  • He’s nationalized numerous banks and refuses to let go of government controls over those who have repaid their TARP bail-outs.
  • Barring a miracle (spelled “We, The People”), the healthcare system that has been the envy of the world will soon slip into third-world status because of legislation, which is at best, Constitutionally questionable, crammed down our throats in a manner that is, at best, legally questionable, involves shameless bribes for obtaining votes, and forces people to purchase government run insurance or face fines or even prison time if we refuse to do so.
  • Obama now has his sights set on granting citizenship to what could be as many as 40 million illegal aliens in a thinly-veiled attempt to win their votes to protect a scandal-ridden Congress in this year’s mid-term elections and in his own re-election attempt in 2012.  To all those immigrants who came to America in the legal way, this is a giant Obama middle finger sticking up at you… The same finger he waves at the flag, the Constitution, and  so many who came before him and gave their lives to preserve the America he spits on.
  • Obama will then attempt to ram “Cap and Trade” through, most likely in the same manner health care was handled. I’m still not convinced that everyone fully understands the impact of Cap and Trade if it passes. It means that corporations will be fined for using energy above a certain level (to be determined by the Federal Government). The fines are in the form of Carbon Credits which – surprise, surprise – are conveniently available through Al Gore’s company. This, coupled with Health Care Reform will cripple companies and, essentially, end the free enterprise system as we know it. It is nothing short of hijacking freedom and democracy. Not only will it become fiscally impossible to expand and hire more people,  it will result in numerous layoffs as companies scramble to stay afloat in Obama’s new world or simply pack it in and shut down. Yet, Obama continues to tell us that “creating jobs is my number one priority.” How sad that there are still so many naive people who believe him. And he’s counting on their ignorance to get re-elected along with the naivite of some 40 million new voters, formerly illegal aliens.  

What more will be done by Obama and the politi-thugs of Congress before we call it out for what it is: TREASON? And when the treason is being committed by our own government, who will stand and call it what it is? Who will hold these people accountable? Apparently, it will have to be “We The People” at the ballot box… assuming Obama doesn’t tamper with elections or, for “emergency reasons” postpone them as some suggest he might do.

Keep in mind what kind of sacrifice it took to win and keep freedom and democracy in this country. Since The Boston Massacre on March 5, 1770, millions of lives have been lost or forever been changed in the winning of this freedom and Constitution we so love. All of those who gave their lives or their bodies to the cause deserve nothing less than to have their sacrifices honored and respected by those of us who have been the beneficiaries of their sacrifice.

Certainly the majority in Congress and the current Presidential Administration have failed to do so.

And so it is up to us to heed the call. For if we fail in the mission to pass along the same democracy and the same freedom to our children, we will forever be known as the ones who let the world’s greatest democracy (and greatest hope for others) slip away. And the ultimate shame on our souls will be if we let that freedom slip away at the hands of our own politicians, elected by our naiveté or ignorance.

It would be nice to think our democratic government would be there to back us in our efforts, but when it’s our own elected officials destroying the fabric of democracy, we must turn to the ballot box.  And so it will be. But if Barack Obama opens the floodgates of citizenship and voting rights to illegal aliens in an attempt to secure re-election for the thieves of democracy who place their interests above the country’s, well then, maybe it will be time to call home the troops who have installed democracy in Iraq and ask them if they can help restore it in America.  

Either way, it’s time to look into the eyes of our children and ask a very serious question of ourselves:

What will you stand for?

The answer should be given directly to our children, and our children’s children, with the knowledge that they will live in the land resulting from the consequences of our answer to that question.

Gerry Ashley


13 Responses to At What Point Does It Become Treason?

  1. Akolyte01 says:

    “You didn’t get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

    You didn’t get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.

    You didn’t get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

    You didn’t get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

    You didn’t get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

    You didn’t get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.

    You didn’t get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

    You didn’t get mad when you saw the Abu Grahib photos.

    You didn’t get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

    You didn’t get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

    You didn’t get mad when we didn’t catch Bin Laden.

    You didn’t get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

    You didn’t get mad when we let a major US city drown.

    You didn’t get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

    You finally got mad when.. when… wait for it… when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all ok with you but helping other Americans… well fuck that. That about right? You know it is.”

    “the healthcare system that has been the envy of the world”
    HAHAHA. Yeah okay. Envy of the world. We are the ONLY western nation without national health care. And our health care per person is WORSE than most of those other countries.

    “in a thinly-veiled attempt to win their votes to protect a scandal-ridden Congress”
    You are so fucking delusional. Maybe it’s because he believes everyone deserves to be able to chase the American dream? Maybe it’s because he’d like to give a legitimate option for people to become valid taxpayers?

    I’m a libertarian. Obama is no hero, but you are a fool.

    • Gerry Ashley says:

      Well well well…

      You’re no more a libertarian than I am. My guess is you’re just another foul-mouthed Obama stooge who can’t respond to any opposing view without resorting to the use of obscenities (two f-bombs? Mommy would be so proud, wouldn’t she?).

      I guess the new “position” for Obama droids is to infiltrate blogs claiming to be libertarian (or something else) in a pathetic attempt to make it appear that Obama has the support of someone other than coolaid drinkers.

      A true libertarian, for your information, eschews ALL government, but especially one that acts like a dictator. You aren’t fooling anybody with that claim.

      I also have to laugh at how you apparently feel you’re mind-reader. But you have the uncanny ability to read our minds. Or so you think.

      Without having to resort to explatives, I can tell you that you have no idea what WE or our readers get mad at.

      As it turns out, there’s a lot about the Bush administration that I didn’t care for. So you are wrong when you assume those of us who either wrote the article or agree with it “didn’t get mad when…”

      In fact, I’d be willing to bet there are some conservatives who will disagree with the article. I’m fine with that if they can state their case in a logical, informed manner.

      But as the author of this piece, I sure has hell get mad when our elected officials work against the Constitution.

      And I could say I get mad when someone purports to know what I think and posts that in a reply to beef up their otherwise flimsy response.

      But I don’t get mad… I laugh hysterically at the fool who thinks he knows what others think, then uses THAT as the basis for his argument.

      But I asked for people to respond whether they agree or disagree. I will be happy to leave your post to speak for itself. It spares me of the need to explain just how brainwashed Obama supporters truly are. You’ve done a fine job of that, but thats all.

  2. To make matters worse, the general attitude that laws (including the constitution) are an annoying obstacle is not restricted to the US Democrats, but can be readily encountered among politicians in e.g. Sweden and Germany too—and likely most other countries. “Oops! That suggestion is illegal/unconstitutional? Let us change the laws/constitution!”

    I do not feel that laws should be immutable; however, they should always be changed with care and always with an eye at why they were instituted in the first place. The more so with the constitution. The more so with, specifically, the US constitution, which was deliberately constructed for the protection of the people from the politicians/the government.

    (I stress, however, that I am not sufficiently up-to-date with US politics, at this particular moment, to judge all of the individual issues you raise.)

    • Gerry Ashley says:

      Well put, Michael, thank you.

      I want to stress that the Republicans aren’t exactly blame-free either. Although I don’t care for the manner in which his reply was done, there are a few items on Akolyte’s long list that I actually agree with.

      And Obama isn’t the only one who has danced around the Constitution. That said, however, nothing the Bush administration did comes close to level of destruction of the Constitution as what Obama is attempting (and has already accomplished). Still, two wrongs never make a right.

      Thank you again for your comment. Please come back and read us again.

  3. Chris UK says:

    SERIOUSLY? why is it only people outside of america can see that Obama is the best thing to ever happen to your country. We have a national health service in Great Britain and it works fine, Japan also have a similar system, why is it Americans think its going to kill everyone :S … just imagine life if the Republicans had won, those old fashioned outdated idiots would have had you at war with another innocent country by now and dragged us into aswell … count your blessings Obama is your president

    • Gerry Ashley says:

      Hi Chris,

      Thank you for taking the time to disagree in a far more classy manner. Discussions with the British are always interesting because even when there’s sharp disagreement, I marvel at your amazing ability to be civil in your exchanges. It’s a skill we’ve either lost in this country (witness the reply from Akolyte01) or, perhaps, never fully developed.

      That said, if I may, let me agree and disagree with you on a couple of items.

      Yes, let me be the first to admit that Republicans have also acted in an unconstitutional fashion in this country. I’m not going to make excuses for that. What’s wrong for one party is wrong for the other as well. Good point there.

      Please understand as Akolyte01 apparently missed): I am NOT a Republican. I am a registered independent and I can find fault on either side of the fence. Sadly, it always seems to be whoever is in power at that time that either can’t see or totally ignores the line and steps over it.

      As to your socialized medicine, if it’s so great, Chris, why is it that so many British choose to come here for treatment because they can’t wait for it in England? Sadly, my childhood sweetheart (who married a great fellow from England and moved there) died waiting for treatment that would most likely have saved her life. They didn’t have the funds to come to America for treatment and, in all honesty, didn’t realize the wait would kill her.

      Aside from that, I would guess England doesn’t have the sheer volume of “gimme gals” and “gimme guys” who are products of generations who have learned to live off entitlements rather than actually make an effort to work for their fair share. Certainly you do have your share like that, but it’s not going to be augmented by some 40 million illegal aliens who will, one way or another, wind up being covered by our healthcare.

      Finally, America’s fiscal dilemma cannot possibly support the weight of what this is going to cost us. Our own OCB (Office of the Congressional Budget) has had to re-state their position on this that it will worsen our debt rather than help reduce the deficit. Those figures were just a smokescreen from Congress and the Obama administration. Nothing new there.

      Finally as to worrying about how another Republican administration would have taken us into another war against another innocent country… I’m sorry, but as we say here, “That dog just won’t hunt.” If you look at the history of this country, it’s usually been a Democratic administration that has taken us into war, not Republican. As for Iraq being an innocent country, you really haven’t done your research on this. It has been documented that Iraq was providing training facilities for terrorists as well as the issue of WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction). There were WMDs found except the liberal media either didn’t cover it at all or buried the story so as not to upset their liberal supporters. 550 tons of yellowcake is not something to play with.

      Nobody with a sense of true patriotism is celebrating any aspect of Barack Obama as President. If you have been a reader of this blog for any length of time, you will know we have documented a number of things he’s done that are an embarassment to this country and, in other cases, an absolute threat to our traditional values and/or Constitution. Perhaps you don’t see that in your day-to-day in England because, quite frankly, who gives a rat’s patootie what’s going on politically over here other than Americans?

      As far as the war in Iraq is concerned, my gut tells me we were right to go in there (although I was dead set against it at first). We’ve removed a vicious dictator (whom we supported at one time – sadly, not the first time America has done that) who slaughtered hundreds of thousands of his own countrymen, and we’ve brought a democracy to a region that has been on the brink of all-out anarchy for years. The Iraquis are, for the most part, happy to have their new Democracy, although they have paid a dear price as all countries do in war.

      Maybe we can bring our troops home now and see if there’s anything they can do to SAVE democracy here before it’s too late under Obama.

      Thanks for your reply. I know we probably won’t see eye-to-eye on this, but it’s far more productive to present our views to each other like this than to use the approach used earlier. Thanks again. I hope you will continue to read Grand Rants and take a look back in our archive on some of the other articles we’ve done. Who knows? You might find some you agree with! 😉

  4. the other Ken says:

    Akolyte01 is too funny. The “I can’t defend my guy so here’s why your guy was just as bad” argument is always amusing as is the list of (mostly) easily debunkable Bush “crimes.”

    Then he tries the “I’m not a democrat/liberal/progressive gambit” by claiming to be a Libertarian. The only thing interesting about that is that it’s a change from the more traditional “I’m a Republican, BUT” lie that’s generally used by leftists just before they begin bashing Republicans.

    You guy really need to find yourselves a better brand of troll.

  5. the other Ken says:


    You guys really need to find yourselves a better brand of troll! 🙂

    • Gerry Ashley says:

      Yes, but these kinds of trolls are so entertaining, aren’t they? I know I got a laugh out of this one. Because they honestly believe the line of crap they spew. I can just see them lining up each morning, just waiting for their marching orders and talking points of the day. And they must all look so debonaire with their “Yes We Can” T-shirts and marching arm bands.

      And how pathetic is it that Obama had to bribe the members of his own party (The Lousiana Purchase, et al) to get them to vote for their own bill? It’s somewhat akin to the parents of a child who is so ugly they have to tie a bone around his neck just to get the dog to play with him.

      Democracy will eventually win, here. The only three variables, as I see it are:

      1.) How much more damage to our economy and democracy will Obama achieve before we throw out as much of his peanut gallery in November as possible? And him in 2012?

      2.) Will Obama, true to (lack of) character, try to legalize up to 40 million illegals in order to buy their votes in return for citizenship? Hopefully, they will be savvy enough to see that he’s using them just as he’s using everyone else. They may have come here illegally, but that doesn’t mean they are stupid. In fact, it means they are smart enough to recognize a government that is totally impotent when it comes to guarding its borders whether its run by Democrats and Republicans in office. You and I would do no different were we in their shoes (the illegals). The difference is that the Republicans see them as workers looking to make a better life for themselves and their families just as the Pilgrims back in 1620. The Dumbocrats merely see them as someone they can use to beef up their dwindling powerbase. If Obama does attempt to insult them in this manner, it might just backfire on him.

      3.) Will Obama “create” an “emergency” that will justify his postponing (or cancelling) the election altogether? I wouldn’t put it past him. Remember he also has a lacky developing legislation that would permit Obama to cut us off from Internet access “in the event of a national emergency.” Of course, it would be Obama (or someone on his staff) that would determine what constitutes an emergency… say, like plummeting polls?

      We should not get too complacent, however. He’s very shrewed in his maneuvers so far. But at some point he will cross the line and whether the government has the cajones to stand up to him and charge him with treason (if and when it becomes that obvious), the American people WILL. Never has any President so devided the people and played them against each other for his own personal gains. We will eventually rid ourselves of this mistake and his Presidency will go down in history as one of this country’s biggest failures in democracy, but also one of this country’s biggest threats to it. Thank God most people with active brain cells are now seeing this and waking up to the mistake.

      The bottom line? Posters like Akolyte01 are about the only “Transparent” thing about the Obama administration.

  6. Tom says:

    Akolyte01 is an example of the great quote about liberals not being ignorant, it’s just that so much of what they think they know is wrong. Not only wrong, but provably wrong, well documented wrong, long ago wrong, but it just doesn’t matter to them. Oh, and liars, too.

    Keep on shining the light, my brother!

    • Gerry Ashley says:

      Thank you, Tom. That’s a great quote! Check my next rant (should be up tomorrow). I’ll probably be ordered to appear before Eric Holder.

  7. Tony Shelton says:


    Needless to say, you and I agree on most points of this discussion. However, this might be a good time to interject one detail that many either don’t know or don’t understand.

    The United States of America is NOT a democracy! There is not one single reference to democracy in either the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. In fact, at the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on Sept. 18, 1787, Benjamin Franklin was asked what form of government the delegates had formed. “A republic,” he responded, “if you can keep it.”

    Democracy is the simple rule of the majority – exactly what got Obamacare rammed down our throats! I’ve also heard it referred to as the “tyranny” of the majority.

    We, as a country, were truly blessed by God with the courage and genius of our founding fathers. They knew exactly what would happen if majority-rule became the mechanism of government. A republic is based on the rule of law. Virtually every problem faced by our country today is due to either the disobedience or circumvention of the laws we are supposed to live by.

    The thing we have to keep in mind is something that I have learned in dealing with my son. He’s a Unitarian minister, and you can’t get much more liberal than that! His generation and the one following (the 20- and 30-something’s) are the people that elected Obama. They honestly and truly believe that the government is the answer, regardless of the question! Until we (or the harsh realities of life) can teach them to accept personal responsibility for their own lives, the battle will continue to be up-hill all the way.

    • Gerry Ashley says:


      Excellent observation. But let me add one distinction: I’ve been using the word “Democracy” as one of two applications used in the American lexicon. One is the absolute definition in regards to a form of government where, as you point out, rule is determined by a simple majority.

      The second usage of Democracy is when referencing the popular type of government, featuring genuinely free periodic elections by the people (as opposed to a specific FORM of government). It was my intent to use it as the latter of the two. If I strayed in the application, mea culpa.

      Of interest,from These two FORMS of government: Democracy and Republic, are not only dissimilar but antithetical, reflecting the sharp contrast between (a) The Majority Unlimited, in a Democracy, lacking any legal safeguard of the rights of The Individual and The Minority, and (b) The Majority Limited, in a Republic under a written Constitution safeguarding the rights of The Individual and The Minority.

      So yes, use of the word “Democracy” should send up a flag, but I’m using it in the lexicon of popular form of government rather than type. It may come across as if I’m splitting hairs, but I’m not, really. But your points are spot on (as usual) and I am so glad you chose to respond here as it’s the perfect complement to the article… not to be confused with compliment… here we go again! 😉

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